Welcome [Archive post from SR20.org 11/26/1999]

Hi all, welcome to my SR20 discussion forum. I’ve enjoyed reading the articles at Christopher’s www.sr20.com, but have been frustrated by the technical problems that it has encountered.

So, I’ve set up this forum, which will not suffer the same problems, and so I can post some questions!

Cheers, Clyde

Good Morning Clyde,

 Thank you for this site. I too was getting sick not having any conversations about our dream machine. Thanks again for putting this site up, let me know if I can help.

Woor

pilot4hire@bigfoot.com

Hello Clyde, and thanks for setting this up. I will be happy to participate! So, how soon is #36 to be delivered?

The link you set up to the old SR20 discussion forum appears not to work. I think that a functional access to this site is via

http://216.224.11.137/

It’s still down so far as I can tell.

Jim Fallows, who wrote the recent NY Times magazine article about the sr20, would like to join in too. I have forwarded your announcement message to him.

Kevin Moore

Palo Alto CA

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!

Anyone know how sales taxes are computed on the purchase and if the plane is delivered to a state with no sales tax if it can be avoided. Our company just flew it’s new Gulfstream IV SP to Oregon for delivery to avoid taxes. The one we had on loan was signed in New Hampshire for the same reason.

Greetings to the Cirrus Community from an interested onlooker. Having read about the plane for many months, I had a chance to visit Duluth twice, and then fly in 207CD from EMT to DLH along with Gary Black, while doing a story about Cirrus for the NY Times magazine. I loved everything about the experience and am now collecting spare change from behind the couches to see if I can put together a deposit.

The NY Times has a linking system that offers current-issue articles for free (“current” = same day for daily newspaper articles, same week for weekly magazine articles). After that, there is a small archive retrieval fee. But I think that this link will take you directly to the piece on the SR20, without fee, if you’re interested:

http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/19991121mag-fallows.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/19991121mag-fallows.html

Thanks to “other forum” members who helped me when I was working on the piece. Best wishes, Jim Fallows (Seattle)

Congrats on the new front page of the forum, at www.Sr20.org Glad to see that the Forum and Stories links work, and looking forward to functional versions of the other links (photos etc). Jim Fallows

For folks who would prefer to get their Cirrus

fix pushed to them, instead of having to check a

web based forum, please allow me to point you

at the Cirrus SR20 mailing list. It is spam-free,

but doesn’t see a ton of traffic right now.

http://www.shockwave.org/mailman/listinfo/cirrus

or cirrus-request@shockwave.org to subscribe

Archives are available via a link off the URL

above.

Paul

So, how soon is #36 to be delivered?

That’s a good question :slight_smile: Based on what Cirrus are saying, I expect it to roll out the door in Duluth during April 2000. Then it has to be ferried to Australia, so I figure we will see it in May. But that’s my guess only, we do not have a confirmed date from Cirrus yet.

I’m one of a 5 member syndicate that will own the plane, and it will also be used by the local Cirrus agent (who was the visionary who secured the position) as a demonstrator until he gets his own.

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!

Anyone know how sales taxes are computed on the purchase and if the plane is delivered to a state with no sales tax if it can be avoided. Our company just flew it’s new Gulfstream IV SP to Oregon for delivery to avoid taxes. The one we had on loan was signed in New Hampshire for the same reason.

Depends on the state. I believe California has

a 90-days-or-90-out-of-180-days rule regarding

sales tax (which at 8% is not pocket change).

A friend of mine who is buying a Pilatus PC-12

is keeping it in Idaho for awhile; another pair

of friends who are buying a CJ1 are keeping it

in Oregon for awhile (with friends like these,

who needs an airplane?)

California will expect documentation on where it

spent the 90 days (tiedown receipts, fuel receipts, et al). Of course, you also have to

live without your toy (or live in another state)

for three months. No fun.

Some folks do things like create a Delaware

corporation to own the plane, under the guise

that it really lives in Delaware but is just

visiting. This works until they catch up to

you, at which point it can get expensive.

Jim,

http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/19991121mag-fallows.html

Great article! Have you put down that deposit yet?

I loved everything about the experience and am now collecting spare change from behind the couches to see if I can put together a deposit.

I checked under the cushions of all of our couches at home and found $3.86 which I am hereby offering to Jim in support of his deposit! :slight_smile:

Enjoyed the article very much too.

Kevin

Have you put down that deposit yet?

Ummm, not yet, but stay tuned.

Congrats on the new front page of the forum, at www.Sr20.org Glad to see that the Forum and Stories links work,

Done! Everything works now. There aren’t any pictures, but there is a link to Cirrus’ gallery page.

Christopher! You promised me some more trip reports. I have somewhere to put them now.

Clyde,

Happy (almost) Anniversary! Hard to believe it’s been 10 years since you started sr20.org. I think I started following the site sometime in 2000. It’s interesting to see some of the old timers still around, and still flying Cirruses!

Just wanted to make to post to mark the occasion. We’ll be out of the country (and with limited internet access) next week on the actual anniversary of 11/26/2009.

Thanks again for the site! (which, for the newbies, is what eventually turned into the COPA website)

And let me second that!

AND, let me explain what this thread is. Steve has reawakened the oldest thread in the forums, a thread which has been migrated from sr20.org to COPA 1.0 (by Steve), and thence to COPA 2.0. Along the way, we lost the user information from some of the oldest posts, which is why the posters in the old posts are listed as “** DO NOT DELETE **”. But many of them feature signature lines which allow forensic recovery of who was who. A true blast from the past!

My first identifiable post (Dec 16, 1999) was the following:

How pretentiously prolix! I’m grateful my excessive verbosity has ameliorated over a decade.

Oh, and (since it’s bad form to be entirely self-referential), thank you, Clyde!

Very cool to resurrect and preserve this. There is a myth that once things are posted on the internet, they will be “out there” forever, but this is not true. A lot of history just gets deleted and forgotten.

Mike

I just discovered that much of contents of SR20.org has been preserved by the Internet Archive Wayback Machine.

The posts from SR20.org shown above (missing their user names) are available with names on the archive of the first COPA forums in the Public Forums. You can see those forum posts here. You can also navigate to the home pages and see a lot of public content, articles, photos, etc., although there are holes in the data.

You can see archives of what the websites looked like in the past for SR20.org and Cirruspilots.org (and other websites, too).

Note that the Wayback Machine did not archive protected (members only) content and even though it looks like you are surfing the old websites you are just looking at a snapshot.

Really, really fun stuff.

Tim

what a treat seeing these early posts again. let me add a bit of cirrus cyber history for you. the first enthusiast cirrus web site was www.sr20.com that went on line april 7, 1997. it was part of my efforts to influence cirrus management to hire me as a regional sales manager which i figured would be even better than paying for an airplane. some of you might remember that the site was peppered with various pics of the jetsons. i was not pursued by the internet community to lead the future development of website thinking.

after purchasing an early version of microsoft’s front page and spending six weeks at the task, the site was hosted to the web. it included what was known at the time as a “discussion bot” that allowed posting and responses from the public. companies were not use to outsiders making comments, good or bad, about what they were doing. some comments created quite a stir in duluth and it seemed my star was falling rather than rising within the company.

the value of publicity was finally recognized and i got the job in june of 1999 six weeks before walt conley took delivery of the first sr20. no longer an outsider, i turned the web site over to christopher whose puter guy was not able to keep it up properly which frustrated clyde into bringing on www.sr20.org in november of 1999. the resulting evolution is a superb product for cirrus enthusiasts to enjoy.

to highlight how the “early days on the web” were so much less than we enjoy today, notice my still current personal eddress of tomatcirrus@yahoo.com.

visiting the delivery transition trainning contractor (wing’s aloft at boeing field) on my first visit out west in the fall of 1999, one of the flight instructors asked if he could send me a proposed syllabus to my email address. i had to respond that i didn’t have and email address. that the company did not provide us with email addresses. he said, “well, let’s set one up for you.”

he brought up yahoo and asked for a name to which i responded, “how about tomatcirrus” and the deal was done.

unfortunately, a computer crash in 2000 took all remaining bits of www.sr20.com which would be fun to see today given the wonderful events of the last 13 years. if anyone has anything from those early days, please send them along. look for very small file sizes. programming was a fine minimalist art back then.

kind regards,