SR22 Accident Article

Here is article from AeroNews:

Exclusive: More Facts on Cirrus ‘Landing’

We weren’t able to get too much news on the Cirrus SR-22 that went down Sunday (“Cirrus ‘Expert’ (out, standing in its field),” 08-22-01, ANN), but we wanted you to know what we knew, then.Â

We know a bunch more, now, having talked with both the Sheriff and the pilot. [This is turning out to be, “Cirrus Week at ANN,” isn’t it? --ed.]

The High Sheriff of Glasscock County, Georgia, Bryan Bopp,Â

…had a lot of respect for the pilot, Phillip Blanchard, of Waynesboro (GA).Â

He told us that the Cirrus SR22 had come down “about 8:30 in the morning. Then somebody out of Macon called around 10, and some other people called and said there was an airplane in this field. They had picked up the ELT [signal].” The weather in the area Sunday morning was unsettled. “We had had a storm earlier that day, real bad weather,” the Sheriff said.Â

We wondered what had happened. Sheriff Bopp told us what he learned: “He was aiming for a long field, but he hit a sapling. He hit a paved road, tore off the gear, then he bounced, hit sort of a terrace, where he tore off the nose and the other gear,” he said.

How bad did it look? “It’s tore up – they had to take the wings off to move it. The top motor mounts, the gear, the prop – they’re all broken. It had hit a sapling with the left wing, and the left tail was damaged, too.”

The preliminary report says there was only one aboard. The Sheriff had better intel: “There were three aboard, including Blanchard. When we got there, he had already left. One of the deer hunters gave him a ride.” Bopp was impressed with Blanchard, too: “He was cool as a cucumber. …He did a great job of getting it to the ground. If I was going to crash land, I’d hope he was flying.”

Every Cirrus has a ballistic 'chute; but Blanchard didn’t use it. Sheriff Bopp said Blanchard told him “…he was afraid to deploy the 'chute because of all the updrafts.”

We talked at length with Phillip Blanchard,

…who owns a pair of John Deere dealerships, and is familiar with all kinds of equipment. That respect came in handy Sunday. We asked to talk with the ‘ace pilot’ at the store. Mr. Blanchard, in an exclusive ANN interview, said, “Well, I made successful emergency landing, but that sure doesn’t make me any kind of ‘ace!’” What happened Sunday could happen to anyone: “I was on the way to the PGA tournament in Atlanta. I was going to pick up the third person, leaving from Waynesboro (GA), Burke County airport (BXG) with Lester Post, the GM at the John Deere dealership in Waynesboro, in the right seat. I flew from there to Louisville (GA), and picked up Rob Evans, from Bartow. I was on the climbout, about 6500 feet, and I saw some IMC ahead of me, and my StormScope showed some activity.” At that point, he made a prudent decision. “I disconnected the autopilot, and turned 90 degrees,” he told us, “and I didn’t get too far before I got caught in a downdraft.” Blanchard has some 600 hours, and has taken a bit of instrument training; but he’s not instrument-rated [contradicting the information we received, and reported, yesterday – mea culpa! --ed.] “I concentrated on keeping the wings level. I’ve been in this situation before [seeing weather ahead]. I’ve been working on my instrument rating.” [He trained in Duluth, home of the Cirrus, with Wings Aloft --ed.]Â

There are some problems with such an advanced machine, problems we don’t often consider, until it hits us: this is a new-fangled bird! “Finding an instructor, with such new equipment, wasn’t easy,” he told us. With the glass cockpit, a lot of instructors don’t feel comfortable.

Anyway, back to the flight: “We got caught in this downdraft, and lost a whole lot of altitude. I kinda got it stabilized. Then we got caught in an updraft. Then I noticed ‘I’ve got no power.’ I just tried to keep the wings level.” Many times, Mr. Blanchard told us, he said to himself, “Fly the airplane!”

The engine quit; he was a VFR pilot in very-close-to IFR conditions, with two passengers, in the rain, with no engine. “I rode it out of that position,” he said. “You couldn’t see much – you couldn’t see the ground.”

As things started looking really bad, he continued, “…then I thought I saw the ground, so I put the nose down, and headed for the ground, trying to get back to VFR. I thought the engine might start back up. I put the booster pump on, went full rich – I was real busy, so I didn’t have near as much time as I would have liked, for checklists and stuff.”

All Cirrus aircraft have ballistic parachutes.

“I knew that, if I was going to do it, I needed to deploy the parachute at least 2000’ AGL. We had the option, but it was raining, and conditions were unstable. I fly a PPC myself, so I know what winds can do to a parachute, so I elected to go on in, to make an emergency landing. I didn’t want to destroy the airplane [deployment makes a big hole in the top of the fuselage, but it’s not really ‘destroying’ the airplane; but, hey – when you’ve got maybe a couple seconds to weigh all the factors…], so I took an emergency landing into a field of roundtop millet.”

The fun never stopped: “There were some power poles,” he said, “and I went under the power lines.” Then he hit the first time. “The ground was soft. The running gear must’ve dug in pretty good, 'cause it tore the gear out from under it. Then there was a terrace.” The airplane stayed straight, sliding on its belly. “We stopped – I promise it didn’t take 200 feet. I had full flaps. I think I came in about 65 knots – I thought it was going to go a lot further than it did, but I think the mud stopped it. I think that’s what slowed it down. I kid you not – that airplane stopped within 200 feet. All three of us just hopped out.”

Is he happy?

“I don’t want to fly anything but a Cirrus, because it absorbed so much of that energy – it didn’t even feel like a crash.” He likes the SR22. “I picked it up May 9 – it’s serial number 19.” As of Sunday, it showed 173 hours on the clock. The insurance company and Cirrus are figuring out whether the airplane’s fixable. “I think they may fix this airplane – I just got off the phone with the insurance company. They don’t have a lot of experience repairing this kind of airplane. I hope it doesn’t take too long. This Cirrus is quite an airplane. I’m anxious to get it back, or replace it. It’s got plenty of room, it’s stable, it’s easy to land. I flies similar to the Katana [Mr. Blanchard also owns a Continental-powered 1998 C-1, that he got from UND --ed]. I just came off a long trip with the Cirrus, and now I’m grounded. I wouldn’t have anything but a Cirrus, particularly after this happened. It makes you feel safe when you fly. Things do happen,” Blanchard said. He has an ace up his sleeve, though – a delivery position on the SR22 line: “My original position is going to be available in March, 2002.”

He likes the 310hp Continental, too.

“I’ve never had a bit of trouble with it – not a bit. I think it might have lost the fuel, in the negative-G force. It kept windmilling the whole way down. I just wish I’d had more time in the air, to go through the checklists. Something happened with that negative G-force. That’s when it happened, when it quit. They’ve got that thing fixed to the point where, for instance, if you forgot to turn off your boost pump, you cannot over-fuel it. It’s a good engine.”

Any landing you can walk away from…

After he and his two passengers had “hopped out,” they noticed it was still raining, a lot. They were happy to see a pickup truck stop and offer them a ride to town. “There were two guys coming from Gainesville – I’m not sure if they were going hunting, or what – they pulled up with their pickup almost immediately after we stopped sliding. They gave us a ride. Then somebody notified the FAA – I spent most of the day with him, until another accident happened in Blairsville – then they had to go.”

Reflection?

Mr. Blanchard has some plans, for the time when his baby is getting repaired or replaced: “What I’m going to do with this [down] time, is study for the instrument written test. It makes instrument flying so much easier than with the [old-fashioned] standard instruments.”

He didn’t think about too much, other than what he had to do, until later. “I just did what I was trained to do. It didn’t scare me until I went to bed, two nights later,” he told us.

He’s happy for the company, too, and the huge financing: “My hat’s really off to Alan Klapmeier – they didn’t really have the money to do it with, but they kept on.”

**** 08/20/2001 Preliminary Accident/Incident Data Record 5 ****Â

A. Type: A Mid Air: N Missing: N Entry date: 08/20/2001 From: SOUTHERN REGION OPERATIONS CENTERÂ

B. Reg. No.: 232CD M/M: EXP Desc: EXP-2001 CIRRUS SR-22 Activity: Unknown Phase: Unknown GA-A/C: General Aviation Descr: EXPERIMENTAL ACFT ENCOUNTERED A THUNDERSTORM THAT PUT IT IN IMC CONDITIONS, THE PILOT ATTEMPTED TO DEVIATE OUT OF THE STORM, AND THE ACFT ENGINE QUIT, THE PILOT MADE AN EMERGENCY LANDING IN A FIELD, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN, GIBSON, GA. WX: UNKN Damage: UnknownÂ

C2. Injury Data:Â

Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:Â

Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:Â

Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:Â

D. Location. City: GIBSON State: GA Country: USÂ

E. Event Date: 08/19/2001 Time:Â

F. Invest Coverage. IIC: Reg/DO: SO11 DO City: ATLANTA DO State: GA Others: NTSB Dest: UNKN Last Radio Cont: UNKN Flt Plan: NONE Last Clearance: UNKN WX Briefing: N Other: AAI IIC:

Jim: Thanks for posting that article.

I met Phillip when we picked up our planes. Even thoug we were not consecutive serial numbers, as things worked out, our planes were consecutive deliveries.

Phillip was a very nice guy and I sure hope he and his pax are in as good a condition as the article suggests.

Phillip, if you read this post: godspeed.

Marty

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

  • As someone with roughly as much flying experience as the pilot involved, I am VERY impressed by his skill in getting the plane down safely in a no-engine, bad-weather situation. Congratulations!!! This would also seem like an ideal candidate for the “Never Again” section of one of the flying magazines. I hope when the pilot is ready he’d write up the episode for them.

  • As a Cirrus owner, I am curious-but-not-yet-alarmed by the fact of the engine failure. On its face it would seem to be related to the weather – rain? induction icing? – rather than inherent engine flaws, but of course we all will want to know more.

  • Also as a Cirrus owner, I am sobered by what the third major-damage claim in this 211-airplane fleet may mean for insurance rates.

  • As a citizen, I wonder whether episodes like this, and the tragic Doug K fatality in Arizona, will lead to demands for instrument ratings as a condition of basic licensure. It’s a long shot that politicians would raise this demand – that would happen if a VFR-pilot-into-IFR-conditions caused fatalities on the ground. (And the John Kennedy crash will be there as background info for the general public.) It’s easier to imagine that insurance companies would de facto make an instrument rating a condition of coverage for expensive planes.

Anyone in a similar state of conflicting emotions? Again, very glad that the souls on board are still souls on earth, and congratulations on a skillful emergency descent.

FYI, I sent the folllowing letter to the editor of Aero-News.

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Dear Sir or Madam:

In your recent article on the SR22 forced landing in Georgia, you parenthetically disagreed with the pilot/ownerÂ’s assessment that deploying the BBS parachute would destroy the aircraft, intimating that it would merely blow a hole in the top of the fuselage. It will do that, of course, but according to CirrusÂ’s tests the rate of descent under canopy, while low enough that the passengers will survive without serious injury, it nonetheless high enough that the landing gear and other structural components will likely be badly damaged, probably beyond economical repair.

Joe Mazza

Former Cirrus Position Holder

Is it just me, or do others also have the impression that all the emphasis on how safe these planes are, is leading to a false sense of security ?

This is the 2nd VFR to IMC incident that should have been avoidable.

For those of you without an Instrument ticket, DON’T WAIT…It will make you a better,more precise and safer pilot.

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

  • Also as a Cirrus owner, I am sobered by what the third major-damage claim in this 211-airplane fleet may mean for insurance rates.

It can’t mean anything good. On the bright side, most of the claims are likely just for physical damage and not for liability, except perhaps for the Tucson accident.
The Cirrus customer base is perhaps composed disproportionately–compared to aircraft of similar performance–of relatively inexperienced pilots. While I won’t presume to speculate on the contribution of this to each of the incidents so far, it can’t help but be a claims factor in the long run.

*It’s easier to imagine that insurance companies would de facto make an instrument rating a condition of coverage for expensive planes.

I’ll give better than even odds that insurers will in the near future require an instrument rating for 200+ hp aircraft, if only to be seen by their stockholders as exercising due diligence to limit losses and thus strengthen the bottom line.

Well it could have all been prevented if he got a good weather briefing and a bit of common sense.Deals like this are going to kill your insurance rates.Give general aviation a bad name. -j if they are going to replace… get in line … lol

  • Also as a Cirrus owner, I am sobered by what the third major-damage claim in this 211-airplane fleet may mean for insurance rates.

Well, insurance companies certainly COULD use this as an excuse to raise rates. But, it seems to me they have this level of risk built in.

I’m paying $5500 for $295,000 of hull insurance. My calculator suggests that would pay for 1 out of 54 hulls being totalled EACH YEAR. That is for 120 hours/no instrument rating at time of insurance. I suspect the insurance companies are still making money, thank you very much.

-Curt

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

You seem to be forgetting that the accident did not occur because the pilot lost control. The accident happened because the engine failed when no suitable landing site was available.

Woor

Did I miss something?

Has it come out that the ignition switch was turned off.

KClark SR22-276

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

Help me understand! How does having an instrument rating prevent someone from getting tangled up in thunderstorms?

Instrument rating or no instrument rating, flying involves decision-making based on weather information. What weather information did he have? How old was it?

The storm scope does not replace obtaining weather prior to the wheels leaving the ground. It only provides more information once you are in the air to help with your decision-making.

We all agree the pilot did a good job keeping the plane under control and performing an emergency landing but what could he had done to prevent himself and his passengers from getting into the situation he was in and how does an instrument rating prevent it.

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

No, you did not miss anything. I just wanted to point out something that I bet 75% of the people will take for granted that it is where is should be. I have had a ignition switch go bad and noticed at about 12K or altitude with only 1.5K AGL Do you think that got my attention? Have a great day.

Woor

Woor

Did I miss something?

Has it come out that the ignition switch was turned off.

KClark SR22-276

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

Help me understand! How does having an instrument rating prevent someone from getting tangled up in thunderstorms?

Well , it’s that more much duel with someone with experience that could have implemented the hazards of weather which is taught during instrument training.One understands weather much better after an instrument ticket than before.With this type of aircraft it’s silly not to be instrument rated as it is a true cross country machine.You fork out near 300k on these birds and cant do the 4k for your ticket? It’s your life and your families not mine.I bet if doug had another chance he would have gotten that ticket but now it’s too late.Flying isn’t a game,but it sure is fun.With your ticket you can use your bird to it’s full potential and live to tell about it. -j

With instrument training you get respect of mother nature. YOu will then understand that in certain areas instrument or no instrument you are to stay away.

Without the training and knowledge you think it is only a cloud and clear blue on the other side. There is plenty more that you learn on your way to being instrument rated. Think of it as an airbag in your car. How about safety belts… why do you need one, you are not planing on having an accident are you? Let me leave you with this thought… Have a great Cirrus day…

Cheers,

Woor

Help me understand! How does having an instrument rating prevent someone from getting tangled up in thunderstorms?

Instrument rating or no instrument rating, flying involves decision-making based on weather information. What weather information did he have? How old was it?

The storm scope does not replace obtaining weather prior to the wheels leaving the ground. It only provides more information once you are in the air to help with your decision-making.

We all agree the pilot did a good job keeping the plane under control and performing an emergency landing but what could he had done to prevent himself and his passengers from getting into the situation he was in and how does an instrument rating prevent it.

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

With all this discussion on instrument ratings, there is another aspect that is not getting much attention, which is the performance of the airplane. At 160 knots, legal definitions aside, it should be considered a high performance plane, which requires much more vigilence to stay ahead of the airplane, particularly when IMC or marginal weather is encountered. I think the Cirrus has a strong appeal to relatively new, lower time pilots, because it answers the first frustration we all face when starting to fly: Why is this machine (our trainer) so cramped, so outdated and so beat-up looking!? Cirrus (like Lancair) solves this issue and also brags about how “easy” the plane is to fly, how forgiving, etc… But at the end of the day, it is still a very high performance machine and will slip away from you in challenging conditions before you know what’s happening. My first plane was a Warrior…not a Mooney, not a Bonanza. At 700 hours (accumulated over about three years), I just now feel confident to own a high performance plane. When I finally get that plane, I intend to master it as I did the Warrior…in baby steps. For all the hype about the Cirrus’ safety and ease of handling, no one should forget that after all is said and done, this is a swift airplane and needs to be treated with the same respect as those famed “doctor-killers” of previous decades (eg, the Mooneys, Bonanzas, etc)

Help me understand! How does having an instrument rating prevent someone from getting tangled up in thunderstorms?

Well , it’s that more much duel with someone with experience that could have implemented the hazards of weather which is taught during instrument training.One understands weather much better after an instrument ticket than before.With this type of aircraft it’s silly not to be instrument rated as it is a true cross country machine.You fork out near 300k on these birds and cant do the 4k for your ticket? It’s your life and your families not mine.I bet if doug had another chance he would have gotten that ticket but now it’s too late.Flying isn’t a game,but it sure is fun.With your ticket you can use your bird to it’s full potential and live to tell about it. -j

During my private pilot training I was taught the facts of weather. Like the facts of life but the dangers of weather during flying. During my instrument training weather was expanded on but no new surprises.

It concerns me to think that pilots think if they had thier instrument rating that it will keep them out of trouble. There is more to it than that!!!

Tom H., SR20, N161KT

With instrument training you get respect of mother nature. YOu will then understand that in certain areas instrument or no instrument you are to stay away.

Without the training and knowledge you think it is only a cloud and clear blue on the other side. There is plenty more that you learn on your way to being instrument rated. Think of it as an airbag in your car. How about safety belts… why do you need one, you are not planing on having an accident are you? Let me leave you with this thought… Have a great Cirrus day…

Cheers,

Woor

Help me understand! How does having an instrument rating prevent someone from getting tangled up in thunderstorms?

Instrument rating or no instrument rating, flying involves decision-making based on weather information. What weather information did he have? How old was it?

The storm scope does not replace obtaining weather prior to the wheels leaving the ground. It only provides more information once you are in the air to help with your decision-making.

We all agree the pilot did a good job keeping the plane under control and performing an emergency landing but what could he had done to prevent himself and his passengers from getting into the situation he was in and how does an instrument rating prevent it.

First, I like to thank Mr. Blanchard for such a detailed report. “We can all gain from such experiences”

Things happen. We can say anything we want. We were not there…

Experience and an intrument rating will help all of us. If you do not have one, give yourself a present and get one "priority ONE ( 1 ).

Speaking bad about someone’s misfortunate wont help the situation and you will only prove to others that you need to learn much more.

Remember the Heavy jet (airliner) in DFW, there was a professional crew on board, they had an instrument rating, and experience but…

Let’s be thankful that we received a nice report so we can learn from, and if you don’t have that instrument rating, get one. Let’s be thankful that Cirrus is doing a nice job on the airframe, now let’s create an ignition switch that you must do more than just turn and it will go to the off position, if we had to push a botton then it would go to the off may have saved this one… Just my opinion, during the -g’s something could have hit the key and turned it to the off position. Keep them flying and have a great day.

Woor

I wonder if anyone else is feeling a tangle of reactions similar to mine.

  • As a pilot, as a Cirrus owner, and as a human being I am EXTREMELY relieved and grateful that this frightening episode ended with no physical harm to anyone involved. Whew!

I am having similar emotions Jim. Although I am somewhat dismayed by the entire incident and how this pilot got himself and his passengers into the situation is the first place.

The SR22 is quite a capable aircraft and this pilot indicated that he had a stormscope inside. Did he push the envelope of his capability by having such a technologically advanced aircraft and plenty of data on board to assess the situation? Did he ignore the data? Did he not have a weather briefing or obtain one while enroute when things in front looked ominous?

I hate to be “Monday morning quarterbacking” this situation or to sound pedantic, but we all can learn from these situations. It certainly was quite a testament to the safety of the aircraft and the amount of damage it can withstand and protect its precious contents.

Chris

It concerns me to think that pilots think if they had thier instrument rating that it will keep them out of trouble. There is more to it than that!!!

Tom H., SR20, N161KT

Good Lord.Go on thinking that way and you will end up on the side of a mountain.You really can’y argue the subject sir without sounding naive.JFK Jr. did The lack of an instrument ticket get him in trouble our will you say it was a problem with his contact lense. -j Stay out of my airspace with your special VFR.

It concerns me to think that pilots think if they had thier instrument rating that it will keep them out of trouble. There is more to it than that!!!
I don’t think anyone is contending that having an instrument rating will protect you from all mishaps. After all, even the airlines, with all their nav gear and their two ATP-rated pilots, go out of their way to avoid thunderstorms.
The point is that NOT having an instrument rating makes many mishaps far more likely. Simplest illustration: with instrument training, getting into clouds is not in itself an emergency, which it can easily be for VFR-only pilots. Familiarity with the ATC system, which is obviously a central part of IFR training and only a side note otherwise, also can come in handy in difficult circumstances.

Again, no one would claim that IFR is sufficient for safety. The question is whether it is increasingly necessary, especially with more sophisticated airplanes. Clinching argument: John Kennedy Jr. Does anyone doubt that the lack of instrument familiarity made a life-and-death difference to him?