N254CD sold

N254CD has been sold. After 2 years of ownership my final observations are as follows:

Get a partner. With 2 people using the priority pilot scheduling, we never had a conflict. For all practicable purposes I had my own plane. The really nice part was when the $2,000 bill for the annual came, it only cost me $1,000. When I sent the $855 check for 3 months of hangar rental it only cost me $427.50, and when I sent the $6,000 insurance check it only cost me $3,000. The only down side was that without a partner, I would have sold the plane a lot sooner.

If most of your flying is for the pleasure of flying, rent. I only made one trip were I required advance reservations at my destination (it was canceled because of a CAPS SB). The second attempt was successful, but I had my first autopilot failure at the beginning of the flight and I should have canceled it again. The rest of my flights (except to the service center) were unplanned $100 hamburgers (which in some cases required 8 to 12 hour round trips), so I could have requested a rental plane, and if it wasnÂ’t available then I wonÂ’t go, no loss. The really nice part about renting is that if there is a problem with the plane, I tell the FBO and I go home. I donÂ’t have to fix it, I donÂ’t care what it will cost, how long it will require, where I have to take, or how I will make the arrangements.

What did the SR20 cost after 2 years, 1 month, and 14 days?

Cost of plane (purchase - sale) $81,000
Insurance 14,430
Hangar 11,348
Fuel 5,047
Maintenance 5,557
Inspections 2,923
Charts/databases 1,995
Fees & supplies 1,497
Oil 877
                                      124,674

The plane was flown for a total of 250 hours, but 50 of those were from GAI to LNS and back for maintenance. So if you exclude those, then only 200 hours were used for the “mission”. If you assume the average time in the service center shop was 4 hours per visit then we spent 150 hours maintaining the plane for 200 hours of mission flight. It also means that the plane cost $623 per mission hour (not including the cost of capital). If you don’t like the mission hour concept then the cost drops to $498 per flight hour. Obviously, if we had flown more it would have cost less, but since it spent so much time grounded waiting for a service appointment or in the service center we really couldn’t fly it more. We had 25+ visits to the service center with an average wait of 2 weeks for an appointment, so half the time we owned the plane it was waiting for service.

The final observation is that, if for whatever reason you feel you most own, don’t buy new. The guy who bought our 2002 SR20 “C” for $145,000 got a much better deal than we got (assuming the plane, as some claim, will become more reliable as it gets older).

Art:
Thr TSS Flying Club has a nice C 182 now as well as the Cardinal and 3 172’s. They would love to have you back.

Good for you Art. I think this will be good for you. One thing you did not put in your formula, Is that in most cases the enjoyment of ownership. The true great feeling of owning something you love and are proud of. The just being at your plane or boat or whatever you have. I mean I even like to clean my plane. Where as My employes do may cars and trucks. But I dont let anyone clean my 68 Camero or my plane. Becouse that is all part of at least for me the enjoyment. I tried the rental thing only good for one day trips that was it for me. I try not to think about the houly cost. But when I do I add in the hours of just being arround it and not even using any fuel. Good luck to you and I hope the new owner does well also. Sounds like he got a good deal. See ya! Don

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N254CD has been sold.


Congratuations Art and some good observations too.

Did you use a broker to sell it and if so, could you tell me which one please?

Thanks

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Thr TSS Flying Club has a nice C 182 now as well as the Cardinal and 3 172’s. They would love to have you back.


TSS will be the next step after renting for a while. I need to spend time with an instructor to get my confidence back (you can only have so many equipment failures before you are afraid to fly).

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I need to spend time with an instructor to get my confidence


If you give up your COPA membership, you could save on the instructor and buy this.

Art, Art, Art…don’t give up on ownership so quickly. Other members of this board aside, I have always sympathized with your gripes (and I, personally, do not own a Cirrus because of my quality control concerns). I view it as the risk of buying an “A” model (ie, first production run) of ANY new airplane.

I purchased a 1986 Warrior with 1000 hours total time in 1999. At 2000 hours, other than routine maintenance, a replaced alternator and a vacuum pump that died at 1200 hours age (700 hours past replacement time), I’ve had nary a problem. Not one. Zip. I also purchased a brand new Pitts s2C a year ago…it runs perfect, nary a scratch or maintenance problem…and Pitts are known to be finicky.

It is absurd to spend hundreds of thousands on a hamburger mobile, I agree. But get yourself a low time, well-kept, tried and true spamcan, and USE IT. Or buy a new Arrow if you want speed. I routinely go from Cap Code to Key West to Chicago to New Orleans in my little Warrior. I got stormscope and IFR GPS (King89B) and backup everything and it does just fine. A yoke mounted Garmin 195 and I’ve got as much situational “awareness” as anybody. For $3 grand, I can get satellite weather on a portable in my lap.

I wouldn’t trade the freedom of going when I want, for how long I want, to where I want, for anything. If you’re flying truly is limited to hamburger runs…then you should rent. But with a RELIABLE airplane, it opens a whole new world to be an owner.

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If you give up your COPA membership, you could save on the instructor and buy this.


I don’t understand the post. Are you saying that a CD is an alternative to additional training with a flight instructor? What does that have to do with giving up my COPA membership?

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I don’t understand the post. Are you saying that a CD is an alternative to additional training with a flight instructor? What does that have to do with giving up my COPA membership?


Art: I think it was a joke. Now that you’ve had this enormous weight lifted from your shoulders, lighten up.[:)]

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Did you use a broker to sell it


I wanted to use a broker, but my partner who made his money in real estate has a mortal fear of brokers so we sold it with an ad in the Washington Post.

did you tell the buyer the best $50 they will spend every year is on COPA?