Talked to Arnav, sending me a free upgrade to start they want $600 per year for a subscription for monthly updates or $200 ea time. Is it necessary to have monthly updates on the arnav or is annually enough?
Talked to Arnav, sending me a free upgrade to start they want $600 per year for a subscription for monthly updates or $200 ea time. Is it necessary to have monthly updates on the arnav or is annually enough?
Thanks for confirming the prices - IMHO, it is not necessary for monthly updates on the Arnav. In fact, at those prices, I plan to only update it if and when there are major airspace changes in areas I fly to frequently!
To be honest, I was a little unhappy when I heard that the cost to update the Arnav (which is, as you know, VFR ‘reference only’) was more than the cost to update BOTH Garmins. I’d have thought it would be the other way around, since not updating the Garmins seriously degrades the performance of the plane (i.e. can’t really file /G!) whereas not updating the Arnav only really causes problems in cases like you mentioned (airspace changes; even then the Garmin should be correct but I agree it’s nice to have correct info on the big screen).
Also, although I have not done it myself yet, I believe that to update the Arnav, you need to pull it part-way out of the panel. That seems like a fairly big effort, again compared to the Garmins.
Just my opinion; I’m sure there are some who update it every month, and that’s certainly a valid choice as well!
Steve
To be honest, I was a little unhappy when I heard that the cost to update the Arnav (which is, as you know, VFR ‘reference only’) was more than the cost to update BOTH Garmins. I’d have thought it would be the other way around, since not updating the Garmins seriously degrades the performance of the plane (i.e. can’t really file /G!) whereas not updating the Arnav only really causes problems in cases like you mentioned (airspace changes; even then the Garmin should be correct but I agree it’s nice to have correct info on the big screen).
I agree. In general I am an ARNAV-defender, because the value of the big-screen display is so great in overall situational-awareness. But the update cost does seem out of line with the life-and-death importance of the Garmin updates.
I will need to get one of these overpriced Arnav updates, because the display of the crucial SFO-OAK Class B is no longer accurate. The boundaries are basically the same, but the ceilngs and floors have changed. Garmin’s display is up to date – but while it shows the boundaries, unlike Arnav it does NOT display the ceilings and floors. Hey, this has forced me back to having actual Terminal Area Charts on my lap to be sure of the airspace limits.
Also, although I have not done it myself yet, I believe that to update the Arnav, you need to pull it part-way out of the panel. That seems like a fairly big effort, again compared to the Garmins.>
Compared to the Garmins, it’s a PITA, but it’s not really that hard. I am not Mr. Mechanic but I’ve done it a few times myself.
To be honest, I was a little unhappy when I heard that the cost to update the Arnav (which is, as you know, VFR ‘reference only’) was more than the cost to update BOTH Garmins. I’d have thought it would be the other way around, since not updating the Garmins seriously degrades the performance of the plane (i.e. can’t really file /G!) whereas not updating the Arnav only really causes problems in cases like you mentioned (airspace changes; even then the Garmin should be correct but I agree it’s nice to have correct info on the big screen).
FYI they are sending me this update for free. I do not know why but will not argue with them.
I agree. In general I am an ARNAV-defender, because the value of the big-screen display is so great in overall situational-awareness. But the update cost does seem out of line with the life-and-death importance of the Garmin updates.
I will need to get one of these overpriced Arnav updates, because the display of the crucial SFO-OAK Class B is no longer accurate. The boundaries are basically the same, but the ceilngs and floors have changed. Garmin’s display is up to date – but while it shows the boundaries, unlike Arnav it does NOT display the ceilings and floors. Hey, this has forced me back to having actual Terminal Area Charts on my lap to be sure of the airspace limits.
Also, although I have not done it myself yet, I believe that to update the Arnav, you need to pull it part-way out of the panel. That seems like a fairly big effort, again compared to the Garmins.>
Compared to the Garmins, it’s a PITA, but it’s not really that hard. I am not Mr. Mechanic but I’ve done it a few times myself.
To be honest, I was a little unhappy when I heard that the cost to update the Arnav (which is, as you know, VFR ‘reference only’) was more than the cost to update BOTH Garmins. I’d have thought it would be the other way around, since not updating the Garmins seriously degrades the performance of the plane (i.e. can’t really file /G!) whereas not updating the Arnav only really causes problems in cases like you mentioned (airspace changes; even then the Garmin should be correct but I agree it’s nice to have correct info on the big screen).
I agree. In general I am an ARNAV-defender, because the value of the big-screen display is so great in overall situational-awareness. But the update cost does seem out of line with the life-and-death importance of the Garmin updates.
I will need to get one of these overpriced Arnav updates, because the display of the crucial SFO-OAK Class B is no longer accurate. The boundaries are basically the same, but the ceilngs and floors have changed. Garmin’s display is up to date – but while it shows the boundaries, unlike Arnav it does NOT display the ceilings and floors. Hey, this has forced me back to having actual Terminal Area Charts on my lap to be sure of the airspace limits.
Actually you can do it with the Garmins (you may already know this) by highlighting the area with the cursor and hitting “enter”: this heights are then diplayed that way, and they are up to date (thanks to high-priced subscriptions, which by the way cannot be burned into the Datawriter for Win 2000 until “the Fall”).
Harrell
Harrell
Also, although I have not done it myself yet, I believe that to update the Arnav, you need to pull it part-way out of the panel. That seems like a fairly big effort, again compared to the Garmins.>
Compared to the Garmins, it’s a PITA, but it’s not really that hard. I am not Mr. Mechanic but I’ve done it a few times myself.