In the past, there has been a lot of criticism of the ARNAV multi-function display. However, if you read the information on this link http://www.arnav.com/wxlink.htm you will see that a weather link (including NEXRAD images) is a reality, eliminating a lot of the error found in on-board radar for small aircraft. My question is: Is Cirrus going to make the transceiver necessary to receive the weather uploads available as an option? Second, is ARNAV planning to include lightning data in its uploads? This could possibly eliminate the need for a stormscope, although I think the uploaded data will have a delay factor.
you will see that a weather link (including NEXRAD images) is a reality, eliminating a lot of the error found in on-board radar for small aircraft.
Well, it depends on what you mean by “reality”. First, if you check the coverage map, the area covered at present is only a small part of the US land mass (the north-east is quite well covered) and non-existent outside the US.
Secondly, can you buy a receiver, install it in the SR20, and connect it to the ICDS2000? No, you can’t. I I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting.
As far as lightning information goes (and a lot of people think that sferics data is more useful to a light plane driver than precipitation data) there are, AFAIK, no plans to provide this.
Unfortunately, I think the WxLink project has sidetracked Arnav from things that would have been more useful to SR20 owners, understandably since their market for the WxLink are corporate kerosene burners, with on-going subscription income to boot.
There is still no word when we might get engine monitoring in the ICDS2000, nor any of the other possible applications. And the international database’s coverage (in Australia at least) is useless (special use airspace is incompletely and inaccurately depicted).
Sorry to be so negative, but applications for the Arnav display are mostly vaporware.
A few months ago I talked to Alan Klapmeier. He said a major goal of Cirrus is create travel machines that will permit, in his words, “hard IFR for the masses.”
Alan said hard IFR capability, along with safety things like the CAPS chute and cockpit simplicity, are critical if Cirrus and others want to expand their market.
Thus software like WxLink must loom large in Alan’s mind.
In the past, there has been a lot of criticism of the ARNAV multi-function display. However, if you read the information on this link http://www.arnav.com/wxlink.htm you will see that a weather link (including NEXRAD images) is a reality, eliminating a lot of the error found in on-board radar for small aircraft. My question is: Is Cirrus going to make the transceiver necessary to receive the weather uploads available as an option? Second, is ARNAV planning to include lightning data in its uploads? This could possibly eliminate the need for a stormscope, although I think the uploaded data will have a delay factor.
ARNAV issued a press release, quoted in the August issue of Flying: “ARNAV has received FAA approval for its Engine Trend Monitoring / Data Recording (ETM/DR) system, which will display engine data on its MFDs, and Cirrus will offer it as an option in the SR20.” If we can’t blame the FAA, it makes you wonder where the hangup is.
There is still no word when we might get engine monitoring in the ICDS2000, nor any of the other possible applications. And the international database’s coverage (in Australia at least) is useless (special use airspace is incompletely and inaccurately depicted).
Sorry to be so negative, but applications for the Arnav display are mostly vaporware.
you will see that a weather link (including NEXRAD images) is a reality, eliminating a lot of the error found in on-board radar for small aircraft.
Well, it depends on what you mean by “reality”. First, if you check the coverage map, the area covered at present is only a small part of the US land mass (the north-east is quite well covered) and non-existent outside the US.
Secondly, can you buy a receiver, install it in the SR20, and connect it to the ICDS2000? No, you can’t. I I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting.
As far as lightning information goes (and a lot of people think that sferics data is more useful to a light plane driver than precipitation data) there are, AFAIK, no plans to provide this.
Unfortunately, I think the WxLink project has sidetracked Arnav from things that would have been more useful to SR20 owners, understandably since their market for the WxLink are corporate kerosene burners, with on-going subscription income to boot.
There is still no word when we might get engine monitoring in the ICDS2000, nor any of the other possible applications. And the international database’s coverage (in Australia at least) is useless (special use airspace is incompletely and inaccurately depicted).
Sorry to be so negative, but applications for the Arnav display are mostly vaporware.
Clyde, I don’t think that facts and “truth” are ever negative, unpalatable at times, but not negative!
ARNAV issued a press release, quoted in the August issue of Flying: “ARNAV has received FAA approval for its Engine Trend Monitoring / Data Recording (ETM/DR) system, which will display engine data on its MFDs, and Cirrus will offer it as an option in the SR20.”
Sorry, but so far as I can see this is, where the SR20 is concerned, just more vaporware. Arnav have lots of stuff available for the smaller displays (MFD5200) but very little for the ICDS2000.
The Engine Trend and Monitoring you refer to is a step beyond the basic monitoring display that is still not available for the ICDS2000, and Cirrus still have no idea when it will be. I quote from a source inside CD: “I will be disappointed if it is not available by the end of 2000, but I’ve been disappointed several times before”.
And calling Arnav about it is like getting blood from a stone; “the person you need to speak to about that is out/in a meeting/at lunch/away”.
Again, I suggest not holding your breath.
I emailed ARNAV and asked for an update on the WxLink and the Engine Monitoring for the Cirrus. I suspect I shouldn’t hold my breath on this one. I suppose we’re only customers indirectly. If this is vaporware for the ICDS2000, or at least a year or two away, should CIRRUS be rethinking this big TV set on the panel? Perhaps, a Garmin 530 is big enough for everyone? It would be for me! Unfortunately, I would imagine (this is guesswork) CIRRUS has a commitment in writing to ARNAV to buy X amount of units at a certain price. Plus, now they have engineered the big hole in the panel.
ARNAV issued a press release, quoted in the August issue of Flying: “ARNAV has received FAA approval for its Engine Trend Monitoring / Data Recording (ETM/DR) system, which will display engine data on its MFDs, and Cirrus will offer it as an option in the SR20.”
Sorry, but so far as I can see this is, where the SR20 is concerned, just more vaporware. Arnav have lots of stuff available for the smaller displays (MFD5200) but very little for the ICDS2000.
The Engine Trend and Monitoring you refer to is a step beyond the basic monitoring display that is still not available for the ICDS2000, and Cirrus still have no idea when it will be. I quote from a source inside CD: “I will be disappointed if it is not available by the end of 2000, but I’ve been disappointed several times before”.
And calling Arnav about it is like getting blood from a stone; “the person you need to speak to about that is out/in a meeting/at lunch/away”.
Again, I suggest not holding your breath.
This may be the result of the financial calculus at Cirrus. Right now, they probably see a much higher return on investment for SR22 development, so they’re just not putting any resources into SR20 improvements. With at least a two year guaranteed sales pipeline, their investors have probably told them to ignore the ‘20 and get on with higher margin designs. Existing owners and contract holders don’t have much leverage here. What ever happened to the Cirrus Owners’ Society, by the way?
I emailed ARNAV and asked for an update on the WxLink and the Engine Monitoring for the Cirrus. I suspect I shouldn’t hold my breath on this one. I suppose we’re only customers indirectly. If this is vaporware for the ICDS2000, or at least a year or two away, should CIRRUS be rethinking this big TV set on the panel? Perhaps, a Garmin 530 is big enough for everyone? It would be for me! Unfortunately, I would imagine (this is guesswork) CIRRUS has a commitment in writing to ARNAV to buy X amount of units at a certain price. Plus, now they have engineered the big hole in the panel.
Unfortunately, I would imagine (this is guesswork) CIRRUS has a commitment in writing to ARNAV to buy X amount of units at a certain price.
Actually, no. Cirrus did have a deal with Arnav, which committed Cirrus to use the Arnav display, and also restricted Arnav from selling it to anyone else. This agreement expired one year after the start of production - i.e. it expired a couple of months ago.
With hindsight, this was a bad deal for both Cirrus and Arnav, since Arnav sold only a handful of displays to Cirrus for several years, and could not market it to anyone else, they had no incentive to develop the applications, so Cirrus did not get the functionality they had expected.
The difficulty in changing to another display is the re-engineering, and as always with aviation, the re-certification effort. I will be very interested to see what the SR22 has in its panel, though I realistically expect it will still be the ICDS2000.
BTW, there are too many Garys in this thread 
Does anyone know what happened to the Cirrus Owners Society? (We can form the Gary chapter:-) Was there not enough interest?
BTW, there are too many Garys in this thread
Excellent choice of names for the chapter: Gary. Our first order of business would be to encourage other Gary’s to buy the Cirrus, thereby increasing our membership.
Does anyone know what happened to the Cirrus Owners Society? (We can form the Gary chapter:-) Was there not enough interest?
BTW, there are too many Garys in this thread