Another SR-22 crash

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Curt,
That’s cool. Do you know if it is something in the hopper right now at Avidyne, maybe in development for Avio among other things?


Maybe Avidyne should look at that wizbang idea after they find a way to download engine log files dependably!

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I know nothink, nothink! But if you take a tour of Eclipse you can get quite an eyeful of Avio, which centerpieces something called Entegra II…


I’ve only caught glimpses of what Entegra II is supposed to be, but it looks like it is going to be the most advanced avionics package by far to come to light aircraft. It sure is an exciting time to be involved with aviation!

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I knew I was missing something! What happened to my standby HSI?


You might not call it the stby HSI, I’ve never flown a Cirrus aircraft. The point is, every plane, glass or otherwise, has a conventional attitude source meant to backup the primary. My point was, don’t let the primary source be your crutch. Look in the cockpit of a 777 or similar airliner. If you’ve never flown a glass plane before, I guarantee there will be one instrument you recognize (or should recognize). We call it the peanut gyro on the navy!

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I knew I was missing something! What happened to my standby HSI?


It is a bit lower and in the middle of the plane. Press and hold the CLR button for 2 seconds to see it:

With the TRK field (circled in red) and the CDI this is your backup HSI!
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This portion of the thread highlights what I think is a very important point: How complete is the training provided to new Cirrus owners? and Do follow-on instructors know enough about the Cirrus to do realistic partial panel proficiency training?

Unless the “Where’s my standby HSI?" post was in jest, the fact that at least one owner hadn’t thoroughly thought through partial panel flying is sobering. I’d have thought that the Cirrus training, at least for instrument rated pilots, would have included a least a few no-PFD approaches where the implications of not having an HSI would have been addressed.

I’m sure this has probably been addressed in the members forum, but perhaps a “Here’s how to teach me my Cirrus” booklet that an owner could hand to a naive instructor would be useful.

Joe

Joe,

My guess is that our “Fly Navy” guy simply misspoke and meant “attitude indicator”, AKA “artificial horizon”. Who knows what the navy calls it?

And that kluge on the Garmin is a far cry from a real HSI. Funny that a $1,275 Garmin 295 can have an HSI presentation while an $8,000+ 430 can’t.

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Funny that a $1,275 Garmin 295 can have an HSI presentation while an $8,000+ 430 can’t.


Ed I’ll bet it has to do with certification. The 430 is a TSOed unit for IFR while the 295 is a hand held. Getting the FAA to certify a “synthetic” HSI would, I suspect, be a daunting task.

I’m an ex-Navy pilot too, but I wasn’t talking about the Fly-Navy guy, rather the Cirrus owner who asked “Where is my standby HSI?” I hope his comment was in jest, but if he was serious it means he perhaps hadn’t thought through how to shoot a no-PFD approach, and perhaps others hadn’t either.

Joe

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Getting the FAA to certify a “synthetic” HSI would, I suspect, be a daunting task.


Yes, probably because of the “need” for an HSI to show heading instead of track. Since a GPS only knows track, there’d have to be a mag compass input to make it legal.
Of course, this is all a holdover from the days when heading was all we had. Track is a much more useful item, but old laws are hard to change.

Joe

Now I’m speaking for everyone, but…

…I’m pretty sure Paul meant that HSI comment in jest, playing on Fly Navy’s mis-labeling of the instrument.

Now I’ll let everyone speak for themselves.

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Now I’m speaking for everyone, but…
…I’m pretty sure Paul meant that HSI comment in jest, playing on Fly Navy’s mis-labeling of the instrument.
Now I’ll let everyone speak for themselves.


Yep, that 'ol dry sense of humor has gotten me in a lot of trouble. I’m sure Navy meant AI when he said backup HSI, but I still couldn’t resist. I guess when your flying multi-million dollar aircraft, they can afford backup HSI’s. So he probably had both, hence the slip.

Anyway, they say you can always tell by the way a guy lands his airplane if he is a Navy guy or a Airforce guy. Airforce guys have a certain flair.[:)]

Wish I had proof read my post as thoroughly as you guys did. I actually did mean ADI, vice the HSI. No, we don’t have a standby HSI, unless you count the magnetic compass!

Ben