# The DIESEL is ready!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Guest Discussion\ **Created:** [March 2, 2001, 5:11pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811 "2001-03-02T17:11:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 5:11pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/1 "2001-03-02T17:11:47Z")
Check out the headlines today on AOPA online .The new diesel Turbo appears ready to certify.This to me is the motor (along with the G.A.P.) that will take us (GA) out of the stone age.Exspect Socata to get first shot at using it (ITS FRENCH!) There web site…www.smaengines.com ``` dan SIERRA SKY PARK Q60 ``` ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 9:56pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/2 "2001-03-02T21:56:36Z")
Good news indeed ! If the price of the engine is the same as a IO-360 it will make a big hit in Europe, supposing Cirrus won’t have trouble building a third plane (SR30D?) Jaap > Check out the headlines today on > AOPA online .The new diesel Turbo > appears ready to certify.This to me > is the motor (along with the G.A.P.) > that will take us (GA) out of the > stone age.Exspect Socata to get first > shot at using it (ITS FRENCH!) > There web site…www.smaengines.com > dan > SIERRA SKY PARK Q60 ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2001, 11:11pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/3 "2001-03-02T23:11:46Z")
Has anybody ever looked at the Deltahawk diesel engines? Their approach seems interesting to me eventhough they conceed a certified engine is at least 2 years out. Kitbuilders might be the first ones to make a new experience in GA. Granted their comparison numbers with the 200hp Lycoming are anywhere close to reality, the cost savings are tremendous. Also the projected price for a new engine is almost half of what our TCM costs. I have heard that the SMA engine will be so much more expensive to buy in the first place that it will be hard to justify from an economic point of view to ever see it in a SRXX. Look at [www.deltahawkengines.com](http://www.deltahawkengines.com) Cheers, Placido > Good news indeed ! > > If the price of the engine is the same as a IO-360 it will make a big hit in Europe, supposing Cirrus won’t have trouble building a third plane (SR30D?) > > Jaap > > > > Check out the headlines today on > > AOPA online .The new diesel Turbo > > appears ready to certify.This to me > > is the motor (along with the G.A.P.) > > that will take us (GA) out of the > > stone age.Exspect Socata to get first > > shot at using it (ITS FRENCH!) > > There web site…www.smaengines.com > > dan > > SIERRA SKY PARK Q60 ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 2:31am UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/4 "2001-03-03T02:31:40Z")
> Good news indeed ! > > If the price of the engine is the same as a IO-360 it will make a big hit in Europe, supposing Cirrus won’t have trouble building a third plane (SR30D?) > > Jaap I read that the diesel costs about 30% more than an IO-360. So what is that, maybe another 10-12k? You’ll recoup that in overhaul and fuel costs. mdz > > > > ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 2:04pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/5 "2001-03-03T14:04:23Z")
The engine I believe has a 250HP to 300HP range tested in a Socata TB20 airframe. Socata together with Turbine Design in Clearwater are working on certifying it for the TB series. There are still some hurdles to cross in the area of max take off power. Cruise is fine. Retrofit might be costly but new installation could well be cheaper than Avgas system. ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 4:08pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/6 "2001-03-03T16:08:19Z")
I think you will all be disappointed by the price SMA will ask for their engines. I am not really arguing about all other advantages we all know, it’s just the price that will move your payback much farther out. Other than that we all agree that the diesel engine is what most of us are desperately waiting for. Cheers, Placido > The engine I believe has a 250HP to 300HP range tested in a Socata TB20 airframe. Socata together with Turbine Design in Clearwater are working on certifying it for the TB series. There are still some hurdles to cross in the area of max take off power. Cruise is fine. Retrofit might be costly but new installation could well be cheaper than Avgas system. ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2001, 6:36pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/7 "2001-03-03T18:36:01Z")
> I think you will all be disappointed by the price SMA will ask for their engines. I am not really arguing about all other advantages we all know, it’s just the price that will move your payback much farther out. Other than that we all agree that the diesel engine is what most of us are desperately waiting for. > > Cheers, > Placido > > > The engine I believe has a 250HP to 300HP range tested in a Socata TB20 airframe. Socata together with Turbine Design in Clearwater are working on certifying it for the TB series. There are still some hurdles to cross in the area of max take off power. Cruise is fine. Retrofit might be costly but new installation could well be cheaper than Avgas system. Another thing I would like to know, and I expect to get flamed big time for this, is what does the diesel sound like. Part of what appeals to me about flying is the sounds and smells. Along with other reasons, I burn avgas in my current plane when I could STC for mo-gas because I like the way it smells when I check the sumps. Except for a radial, there is nothing like the sound of a six banger in the morning. Especially through tuned pipes like those on the Cirrus. I’m not real sure how the sound should be but it needs to sound like it belongs on an airplane and not my tractor. M. Myers ---
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Along with other reasons, I burn avgas in my current plane when I could STC for mo-gas because I like the way it smells when I check the sumps. “I love the smell of napon in the morning, it smells like victory.” ---
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> > > > Another thing I would like to know, and I expect to get flamed big time for this, is what does the diesel sound like. Part of what appeals to me about flying is the sounds and smells. Along with other reasons, I burn avgas in my current plane when I could STC for mo-gas because I like the way it smells when I check the sumps. Except for a radial, there is nothing like the sound of a six banger in the morning. Especially through tuned pipes like those on the Cirrus. > I’m not real sure how the sound should be but it needs to sound like it belongs on an airplane and not my tractor. Much of the sound you like is probably coming from the propeller tips. I understand that the diesel does not have the pinging sound of an 18 wheeler at idle and does not belch black smoke. As for smell, the burning smell of kerosene in a turboprop or fanjet smells pretty good to me. mike > > ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2001, 1:39pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/the-diesel-is-ready/37811/10 "2001-03-04T13:39:25Z")
> Another thing I would like to know, and I expect to get flamed big time for this, is what does the diesel sound like. Part of what appeals to me about flying is the sounds and smells. > M. Myers Diesel smells nice, to me just like a submarine ! (of course Diesel, nuclear-power doesn’t smell and is (not yet) available to airplanes. And when the plane might crash and the Diesel gets in youre clothes, it doesn’t burn that easely and doesn’t make funny sounds like burning Avgas on youre skin ! Make it safe, Jaap ---
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The SMA diesel/SRxx combinetion is academic for the moment I think for a couple of reasons; 1. Certicifation cost. My guestimate $1Million. 2. Product cost. Initial and ongoing. The French connection may look at “licensing fees”… 3. Defocus of scarce engineering resources at Cirrus. The are other projects that should (and will, I’m confident) have priority, like FADEC, ARNAV upgrade, noise certification, TCAD. 4. Fragmenting the productline at a time when Cirrus one and only mnufacturing priority is to crank out revenue units at a decent margin. 5. Even with the SMA engine certified and all, Cirrus would be (one of the) first customers, which by generally accepted experience has a certain guineepig factor associated with it. Sure (especially in Europe) we can dream about fuel efficiencies, -cost and TBO’s, but feet back on the tarmac: It won’t happen soon. And my TCM is spinning fine (after it starts with 45-60 seconds of prime…) Cheers HK > Along with other reasons, I burn avgas in my current plane when I could STC for mo-gas because I like the way it smells when I check the sumps. > > “I love the smell of napon in the morning, it smells like victory.”