With all of the IT knowledge on this forum, I’m surprised no one who is Android savvy has not yet developed a W&B, Performance app for that platform. All the data is in the PIM and POH. As we used to say, you just need to massage it.
Mike, I have 600+ VJ hours. I’ve never had the iPad shut off due to heat. I think the gold tinted windows play a big part of that.
I think you’ll find that the training is fairly standardized, and there will be limited time available for training beyond the standardized course. I also think you’ll find that a tablet will only be a hinderance, unless you have the software (such as GP) down cold. My suggestion is to simply concentrate on the systems knowledge and flight skills for the check ride. You’ve already got a leg up with your G3000 experience, so I think you’ll find the sim work pretty straight forward. You can easily figure out a tablet during over dinners during mentor time.
If you prefer to avoid iOS platform, you’ll be fine with GP. I have both, but I’ve become accustomed to Foreflight. At the time I switched, only FF had the Jepp charts, which I prefer. Now that GP has Jepp integration, I could argue for either FF or GP. There are advantages to both. If you like I’d be happy to help you set up W&B profiles in GP. The odd nuance with the SF50 is that the rear seats get added to the basic empty weight, so it’s nice to get a few typical seating profiles set up. This differs from the TBM, where seat removal is more difficult, and the payload is higher, so seat removal is less common. We could do it pretty quickly over a Zoom or Teams call.
I’d also be happy to give you some pointers on the G3000 integrations by Daher vs Cirrus. When I moved from the SF50 to the TBM 960, I was pretty surprised at some of the differences. I prefer the SF50 automation, although I think Daher has a leg up on redundancy. Not many people have experience in multiple G3000 platforms, and some instructors would look at me cross eyed when I tried to explain the differences. The SF50 has some nice AT and AT enhancements, that I think you’ll like. Feel free to drop me a PM, if you’d like to talk in person.
FWIW, my wife and I loved the SF50. If it weren’t for our 1,200 nm milk run, we’d still be in the SF50. From a comfort and convenience standpoint, it’s tough to beat.
Bob’s right. The gold tint windows on the SF50 definitely help with reducing solar heat gain in the cockpit. You need it was that great view out of the cockpit! That said, over-temp on the iPad hasn’t been a big issue for me in either the TBM or my CJs. In the TBM, I kept it on my lap. In the CJ3, I have a velcro solution on the yoke, and I have Jet Shades on the side windows. Since adding the Jet Shades, I don’t think I have ever had an overheating issue.
The one downside to the gold windows is the impact on Starlink reception. I haven’t really followed the Starlink SF50 threads, so maybe somebody has found a solution. Starlink is much cheaper and faster than Gogo. I cancelled my Gogo subscription in my CJ, and now use the less elegant “antenna on the dash” Starlink wifi solution.
Lastly, join COPA. It’s dirt cheap, and the best aviation forum, by far. I am still a member of TBMOPA, and now a member on CJP, yet I spend much more time on this forum. It’s an incredible resource.
Concur. 300 hours VJ time and use an iPad mini as my EFB. Never overheated in the SF50. I did have it get warm and shut down sitting on the dash of my SR22T a few times. But never in my SF50.
Bob - You mentioned Jet Shades. I used them in the TBM, in fact - did the video for JS on the TBM. You weren’t referring to them on the SF50, right? I just reached out to Kevin at JS and we’re working together to get the proper measurements so they can have a product offering for the SF50. Right now, I have a stick-on product that I got from Just Plane Tint, which I think is now Wing View Tint - Slap Shades. Blocks sun, but not heat. Just ordered a 13x13 static piece from Just Plane Shades that blocks both, but I’m not sure about the static thing.
Mark - YES, I’d love to hook up and figure out the W&B with GP. You have my number below. Just shoot me a text and we’ll do the Zoom thing.
Mike,
I was the one that mentioned Jet Shades. You don’t need them or want them in the SF50. The SF50 comes with a reflective glass coating that blocks UV radiation. It’s a great feature, and I missed that feature in the TBM and now my CJ. At FL450, there is a lot of solar heat gain, so I installed the Jet Shades in my CJ3+. The jet shades are nice, but not as elegant a solution as the gold tinting on the SF50.
Mike, no “number below”. Mine is 603-387-7172. Drop me a text and we’ll set up a time. I’m on the east coast.
Now that Mike is a member, I wonder if a moderator could transfer this post to the SF50 members forum category?
I am an android guy. I use GP and have exclusively due to lack of FF on android.
Finally due to continuous discovery of bugs and lack of functionality in GP on android i assumed ownership of my wife’s old ipad and installed GP there on ios/apple.
GP on android is totally a different program than GP on android.
The android version is pathetic in comparison. I could go on and in detail but if you spend some time with each version of GP you may conclude as i have that they are totally different programs with different features and the android version is just full of bugs and glitches.
Garmin should choose different names for the programs and marker them separately with their different features.
The android version has a hundred shortcomings. No smartcharts in android …no functional advanced performance … restarts every time you touch it … and on and on.
How do we get into the sf50 members section? I take delivery of my g1 vision jet in November
Just select that category - Aircraft → Vision Jet (SF50)
Or click here:
https://forum.cirruspilots.org/c/aircraft/vision-jet-sf-50/16
Spencer,
Gordon is referring you to the SF50 forum category of COPA, which is visible and available to all COPA members.
However, you may be referring to the private SF50 owners forum administered by Cirrus Aircraft, call Vision Pilots and Owners (VPO). VPO is fully independent of COPA. To gain access to VPO, you would need to contact a representative of Cirrus Aircraft. They can tell you the process/rules to gain access to that forum.
I use visionjetpro dot com because it works on any device
I couldn’t sleep last night so I thought I’d give this a shot.
Some initial findings:
no G3 aircraft.
no multiple aircraft?
no winds aloft. (stuck on Fetching winds aloft…)
There is no indication of an invalid airport ICAO code.
There is no provision to use a nearby airport’s weather if the target airport is not reporting METAR’s.
No shortcuts for some US airports, i.e. 46U must be entered as K46U
Weight & Balance:
no provision for extended cargo
Only 2 positions for seat 4
If I edit the weight in a seat, then remove the seat, then add the seat, the weight is reset to 0
no provision for adding weight of console
no provision for adding weight in console
no provision for baggage only in rear cabin with console installed
Seat 4 does not have to be removed with console installed.
Performance:
No provision for 50% or no flaps landing.
no provision for manually changing weather mid flight. (web only - wait for Starlink?)
Don’t click on “Review Full Terms of Use” again unless you want to repeat this section,
and it’ll clear out any flight data you’ve previously entered.
No provision for saving your flight. Quit then reopen erases everything.
where have I seen this? 
(Auto-apply published gradient is meaningless as there are no published gradients)
There was obviously a lot of work put into this site, but it’s not quite ready for prime time playing.
I am not experiencing these issues. G3 and multiple airplanes was important to me and is there when I use it (Under settings click add). I dont pay for it but began using it a few months ago - possible they have different versions?
If I select G3 from the list and click add profile, it’s just ignored.
I didn’t see that option anywhere?
I see the gradient option has been removed already. That will remain in VPF if the runway elevations are available.
I see a lot of the issues I described earlier today have been fixed. So who is the developer? COPA member? Claude?
Bob, whoever it is, they need to pay you the debugging fee!
