# Keepin you posted **URL:** \ **Category:** Guest Discussion\ **Created:** [September 12, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994 "2001-09-12T16:41:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2001, 4:41pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994/1 "2001-09-12T16:41:30Z")
Sept. 12 — The FAA will be making a decision this morning about how it will restart the National Airspace System. FAA contacted AOPA this morning, and AOPA is fully involved to ensure that general aviation will be properly considered. AOPA is advocating a return to full IFR and VFR operations as soon as possible. Once flights are again permitted, pilots will need to carefully check notams. FAA has told AOPA that numerous TFRs (temporary flight restrictions) will be in force, including over New York City, the Pentagon, near Somerset, Pennsylvania, and several in the Pacific Northwest. AOPA will post this information on the Web site as soon as it become available. “We know from member phone calls and emails that many GA pilots are currently stranded away from home,” said AOPA President Phil Boyer. “The FAA had to take an unprecedented action in response to the terrorist attack on the U.S. Recognizing the gravity of the situation, we are working with FAA to restore our national transportation system to full operation as soon as possible.” In light of the events that have taken place and out of respect for those affected by this horrible tragedy, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority along with Special Olympics Virginia have decided to postpone the 9th Annual Plane Pull Festival set for this Saturday, September 15th. At this time, we are working on a new date and hope to have the event take place within the next 30 days. ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2001, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994/2 "2001-09-12T16:50:16Z")
9/12/01 12:40:11 PM — Air traffic remains grounded in the United States. The FAA is requiring that Part 107 air carrier airports (airports served by airliners with more than 60 seats) go to the highest level of security before they are allowed to reopen. Some of those requirements may take some time to implement. The FAA has not yet said what will be required before general aviation airports can reopen. AOPA continues to work with the FAA to ensure that general aviation can get back in the air as soon as possible. The elevated security requirements at the major airline airports include evacuating all passenger terminals and conducting a sweep for dangerous objects, establishing police-staffed security checkpoints, discontinuing curbside check-in, and identification checks. ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2001, 8:45pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994/3 "2001-09-12T20:45:33Z")
> 9/12/01 12:40:11 PM — Air traffic remains grounded in the United States. The > FAA is requiring that Part 107 air carrier airports (airports served by > airliners with more than 60 seats) go to the highest level of security before > they are allowed to reopen. Some of those requirements may take some time to > implement. The FAA has not yet said what will be required before general > aviation airports can reopen. AOPA continues to work with the FAA to ensure > that general aviation can get back in the air as soon as possible. > > The elevated security requirements at the major airline airports include > evacuating all passenger terminals and conducting a sweep for dangerous > objects, establishing police-staffed security checkpoints, discontinuing > curbside check-in, and identification checks. > With so many having lost so much I almost hate to bring this up. I called flight service to see if I could do some pattern work at our uncontroled grass stript. They said NO. Only military and police are allowed to fly. I understand why but feel violated somehow, like I did when someone broke into our house. The loss of freedom is disconcerting. We got to get these people. Myers > > > > > ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2001, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994/4 "2001-09-12T22:31:15Z")
> With so many having lost so much I almost hate to bring this up. > > I called flight service to see if I could do some pattern work at our uncontroled grass stript. They said NO. Only military and police are allowed to fly. I understand why but feel violated somehow, like I did when someone broke into our house. > > The loss of freedom is disconcerting. I am very fearful of what will happen to GA in the wake of this event. In times of crisis, personal freedom takes a backseat to national security and there will be few public figures who will be willing to stand up and defend our right to fly. Having just watched the Secretary of Transportation speak and monitoring the AOPA and FAA sites for news all day, nowhere has general aviation been mentioned anywhere. If and when we are allowed to fly again, the rules will be vastly different IMHO. Background checks for everyone holding a pilot’s license, social security numbers for all passengers on board, mandatory flight plans VFR or IFR for any flight traveling anywhere near a population center including all class B,C,D or E airspace. The political leadership will have to make changes to ‘protect’ the public. General Aviation which is our collective hobby and passion is about to be singled out as a potential security risk. Who cares about the rights of a few people who are wealthy enough to own a plane and crazy enough to fly one. As mentioned before, my thoughts are first and foremost with the victims of this tragedy. The loss of life is staggering but the real goal of this attack was to bring fear and terror to America. It is important that we take some time to mourn the loss but it is equally important that we remain a free nation. The loss of a single liberty no matter how small is a win for all those that hate. Best, Brig ---
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I think you’re probably right about more scrutiny for general aviation and, in some respects, rightly so. Think about the ease of a terrorist chartering a bizjet and not having to worry about any security at all. Background checks for pilots/students may not be a bad idea either. Maybe AOPA should take the lead before something happens and the government comes down hard on general aviation. > > I am very fearful of what will happen to GA in the wake of this event. In times of crisis, personal freedom takes a backseat to national security and there will be few public figures who will be willing to stand up and defend our right to fly. Having just watched the Secretary of Transportation speak and monitoring the AOPA and FAA sites for news all day, nowhere has general aviation been mentioned anywhere. > If and when we are allowed to fly again, the rules will be vastly different IMHO. Background checks for everyone holding a pilot’s license, social security numbers for all passengers on board, mandatory flight plans VFR or IFR for any flight traveling anywhere near a population center including all class B,C,D or E airspace. > > The political leadership will have to make changes to ‘protect’ the public. General Aviation which is our collective hobby and passion is about to be singled out as a potential security risk. Who cares about the rights of a few people who are wealthy enough to own a plane and crazy enough to fly one. > As mentioned before, my thoughts are first and foremost with the victims of this tragedy. The loss of life is staggering but the real goal of this attack was to bring fear and terror to America. It is important that we take some time to mourn the loss but it is equally important that we remain a free nation. The loss of a single liberty no matter how small is a win for all those that hate. > > Best, > > Brig ---
**Author:** ![UnknownPreviousUser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/copa/user_avatar/forum.cirruspilots.org/unknownprevioususer/32/89805_2.png) [@UnknownPreviousUser](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/u/UnknownPreviousUser)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2001, 12:16am UTC](https://forum.cirruspilots.org/t/keepin-you-posted/38994/6 "2001-09-13T00:16:30Z")
9/12/01 4:55:25 PM — The tragic events that occurred Tuesday morning are unprecedented in our nation’s aviation history. The count of lost lives can’t even be comprehended at this point. AOPA offers its deepest sympathies to those families affected by the catastrophic acts of terrorism that have taken place. As aviators, we know flying is demanding, and aviation accidents like these are tragically final. Eight pilots, and their cabin crews, were among the 266 deaths attached to the four air transport category planes that crashed. One airline accident by itself is monumental news. Four accidents was beyond anyone’s imagination. AOPA, representing pilots and owners of general aviation aircraft, recognizes the climate of change that will eventually be debated on our aviation freedoms in the United States. As we have done for more than 62 years, we will be the advocate for “reasonable” and sensible access to our nation’s airspace. The organization was founded to protect the growing threat to access to G.A. flying as World War II appeared imminent. Right now, the U.S. government has mandated our National Airspace System unavailable to use by not only general aviation, but the also the airlines. AOPA and the FAA communicate almost hourly on trying to make information available to the many pilots stranded at airports away from home, to the flight schools who only want to fly the local pattern, and to those who live far from the sites of these terrorist acts unable to understand why they are prohibited from flying. But these decisions are not just within the sole purview of the Federal Aviation Administration. They involve the secretary of Transportation, the President, and those who handle the security of our nation. Just as we do not expect general aviation to be treated any differently than the airlines and will work hard to ensure such, also we cannot expect that GA should be flying any sooner than the commercial carriers. There have been reports of isolated flying already, and those who violate these rules impede the conscientious pilots honoring the special notice. In the last 12 hours there have been a variety of predictions and misinformation handed out by the FAA, some through the flight service station system. AOPA will keep the home page of this Web site updated with the most factual information we can obtain, with the goal of seeing that when the notam on the NAS being open is issued, you will read it here first, and our hope that it will be a general aviation airplane that first makes use of this returned freedom to fly. We will get our Cirrus up soon… Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta has announced the Federal Aviation Administration will allow a limited reopening of the nationÂ’s commercial airspace system in order to allow flights that were diverted yesterday to continue to their original destinations. The Secretary also announced that the FAA is temporarily extending the ground stop order imposed yesterday while additional security measures are being completed. “Safety is always of paramount importance, and in these extraordinary times we intend to be vigilant,” Mineta said. “We remain committed to resuming commercial flights as soon as possible. “As the President said last night, these despicable terrorist attacks have shaken the foundation of our greatest buildings, but have not shaken the foundation of this great nation,” the Secretary said. “As America watches the efforts of our heroic emergency responders and rescue personnel, we keep the victims and their families in our prayers,” he also said. Mineta said the FAA would permit flights today only in special limited circumstances. Flights diverted as a result of yesterdayÂ’s order will be allowed to continue to their original destination under vastly tightened security guidelines. Only passengers on the original flights will be allowed to re-board, and only after airports and airlines have implemented strict screening measures. Airlines will also be allowed to reposition empty aircraft, he said. Mineta said a variety of stepped-up security measures will be instituted at the airports once they re-open. These measures include: - A thorough search and security check of all airplanes and airports before passengers are allowed to enter and board aircraft. - We will discontinue curbside check-in at the airport. We would ask that all passengers go to the ticket counters to check in. - We will also discontinue off-airport check in. We can no longer allow passengers to check in for their flights at hotels or other venues. Passengers must check in at the airports. - We must reserve boarding areas for passengers only. Only ticketed passengers will be allowed to proceed past airport screeners to catch their flights. - Vehicles near airport terminals will be monitored more closely. “I know all Americans want us to move as quickly and prudently as possible to return our transportation system to normal,” Mineta said, “and we will as soon as we can do so safely.” > I think you’re probably right about more scrutiny for general aviation and, in some respects, rightly so. Think about the ease of a terrorist chartering a bizjet and not having to worry about any security at all. Background checks for pilots/students may not be a bad idea either. Maybe AOPA should take the lead before something happens and the government comes down hard on general aviation. > > > > > I am very fearful of what will happen to GA in the wake of this event. In times of crisis, personal freedom takes a backseat to national security and there will be few public figures who will be willing to stand up and defend our right to fly. Having just watched the Secretary of Transportation speak and monitoring the AOPA and FAA sites for news all day, nowhere has general aviation been mentioned anywhere. > > If and when we are allowed to fly again, the rules will be vastly different IMHO. Background checks for everyone holding a pilot’s license, social security numbers for all passengers on board, mandatory flight plans VFR or IFR for any flight traveling anywhere near a population center including all class B,C,D or E airspace. > > > > The political leadership will have to make changes to ‘protect’ the public. General Aviation which is our collective hobby and passion is about to be singled out as a potential security risk. Who cares about the rights of a few people who are wealthy enough to own a plane and crazy enough to fly one. > > As mentioned before, my thoughts are first and foremost with the victims of this tragedy. The loss of life is staggering but the real goal of this attack was to bring fear and terror to America. It is important that we take some time to mourn the loss but it is equally important that we remain a free nation. The loss of a single liberty no matter how small is a win for all those that hate. > > > > Best, > > > > Brig ---
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> I think you’re probably right about more scrutiny for general aviation and, in some respects, rightly so. Think about the ease of a terrorist chartering a bizjet and not having to worry about any security at all. Background checks for pilots/students may not be a bad idea either. Maybe AOPA should take the lead before something happens and the government comes down hard on general aviation. > > > I think background checks are a very bad idea. Why should we have to subject ourselves to scrutiny and invasion of privacy just because we want to fly. Actions of a few should not dictate how hundreds of thousands are treated. That “illogic” is what gun control advocates use. Because 1% of the population uses guns to kill people, the other 99% should be subjected to regulation which doesn’t affect the 1% because they don’t follow regulation anyway. > > I am very fearful of what will happen to GA in the wake of this event. In times of crisis, personal freedom takes a backseat to national security and there will be few public figures who will be willing to stand up and defend our right to fly. Having just watched the Secretary of Transportation speak and monitoring the AOPA and FAA sites for news all day, nowhere has general aviation been mentioned anywhere. > > If and when we are allowed to fly again, the rules will be vastly different IMHO. Background checks for everyone holding a pilot’s license, social security numbers for all passengers on board, mandatory flight plans VFR or IFR for any flight traveling anywhere near a population center including all class B,C,D or E airspace. > > > > The political leadership will have to make changes to ‘protect’ the public. General Aviation which is our collective hobby and passion is about to be singled out as a potential security risk. Who cares about the rights of a few people who are wealthy enough to own a plane and crazy enough to fly one. > > As mentioned before, my thoughts are first and foremost with the victims of this tragedy. The loss of life is staggering but the real goal of this attack was to bring fear and terror to America. It is important that we take some time to mourn the loss but it is equally important that we remain a free nation. The loss of a single liberty no matter how small is a win for all those that hate. > > > > Best, > > > > Brig